1989 Fleer Baseball

Up tonight, a pack of cards from one of those sets that wasn't sold at any stores 10-year-old me frequented, so I don't have a ton of it. 1989 Fleer is still somewhat uncharted territory to me. Will I stumble across a Randy rookie, or the infamous Dick Tracy villain, FuckFace?

Let's tear in.

Top to Bottom:
Giants Sticker
354 Danny Darwin

481 Wally Joyner
240 Fred McGriff (Yessssss!)

3 Todd Burns
577 David Palmer (This card was collected between 10:00 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. on the day of the California presidential primary.)
247 David Wells
206 Doug Drabek
112 Dan Gladden
10 Darryl Strawberry '89 Fleer All Star Team

595 Rick Mahler
209 Brian Fisher
543 Mike Campbell (I have no recollection of this person playing baseball.)

459 Jose Oquendo
99 Lee Smith
491 Harold Baines (#HaroldToTheHall)

167 Jeff Reed
392 Luis Rivera

Pretty good pack, lots of guys that have small but dedicated followings conspiring to get their guy into the Hall of Fame. The insert was nice, too.

1989 Star Minor League

To keep you all waiting with bated breath for the second pack of the Cali vs World contest, here's a pack that should be really awful. This is the first pack from a $9.99 repack box from Championship Collection Trading Cards. I have very low expectations here. This pack will have ten cards. If I recognize a single player, I will be surprised. Keep in mind I played Roto starting in 1993. A lot of those players would have been in the minors in 1989.

Willie Mota - Never made it past AA. The stats on the back support my expectation of the quality of this set.
Bert Heffernan - Made it to the majors. For 11 AB. Got 1 hit, which was a double. I'm guessing that ball is on display in his house.

Matt Current - Never made it past A ball.

Dan Segui - I assume he's related to David Segui, who had a 14-yr big league carreer. Dan, though, retired after 4 seasons of Rookie and A ball.

Julian Yan - More like Who?lian Yan. This guy I respect. He played minor league ball from 1986 to 1996, the last 4 seasons in AAA. Then, at age 30, no major league organization needed his services as a AAA benchwarmer any more. So he played in the Independent Leagues, and in the Mexican league, for the NEXT. ELEVEN. YEARS. For the love of the game, this guy. I believe I am going to hold on to this card. This guy is a baseball lifer, even though he never made it to The Show.
Bruce Schreiber - Made it to AAA in the Pirates organization, but never cracked a big league roster.

Pete Rose, Jr - Okay, this so doesn't count as a player I recognize. But guess what? This guy once hit on my sister at a dance club in Birmingham. She says he was a jerk. True story. I think I'll give this card to her for her b'day.
Doug Piatt - Made the bigs in 1991, and pitched well for the Expos. six more years in the minors, and he hung up the spikes.

Beau Allred - Got 200 PA for the Indians from 89 to 91.

Tim Nedin - Never made it past A ball.

I've shown you the only halfway-interesting photos. Here's the uniform lot of the rest of them:
So, yeah, that was about what I expected. Keep an eye out for the second pack of the contest tomorrow.

1989 Fleer cello

I found some Fleer cellos for a dollar each and bought three packs, hoping they maybe early-run cellos - meaning I may have a chance of pulling the infamous Billy Ripken FF error card or a Randy Johnson Marlboro variation card.

Everyone knows about the Ripken card and even if it is more crass than classic - it has become an 'iconic' baseball card for anyone collecting during the past 20 years.

I didn't know about the Johnson Marlboro variation card [where Marlboro signage was visible in the background] - until about five years ago.

Random cello pack one - there were 36 cards per cello pack along with three stickers.

#282 Jerry Gleaton
#38 Gregg Jefferies
#400 Joe Carter
#153 Tom Browning
#494 Mike Diaz
#335 Bob Melvin
#89 Rich Gedman

One thing of note is the backs feature statlines from the players' entire professional career - not just the Major Leagues or the most recent minor league stats. Some of the backs featured an info box [Did You Know?] with some tidbits about the player's career.

#432 Jamie Moyer - it would be real funny if this guy was still pitching today. He began his professional career 25 years ago and made his Major League debut all the way back in 1986. His pro career pretty much spans nearly my entire life so far.
#186 Jim Gantner
#484 Mark McLemore
#126 Fred Toliver
#433 Al Nipper
#128 Doyle Alexander
#313 Keith Moreland
#643 Mike Capel/Drew Hall - Major League Prospects subset

#60 Jeff Hamilton - he looks sickly in this picture, not a guy you'd think would be listed at 6'3'' and 215 pounds.
#526 Chad Kreuter
#390 Pascual Perez
#281 Steve Farr
Baseball stickers - Dodgers, Expos, Mets, Phillies.
Baseball stickers - Pirates, Cardinals, Padres, Giants.
Baseball stickers - Twins, Yankees, Athletics, Mariners.
#293 Kurt Stillwell
#653 Scott Service/Shane Turner - Major League Prospects subset

#263 Hipolito Pena - looks like Fleer decided to play some more games and included a bat boy in their card set.
#354 Danny Darwin
#481 Wally Joyner

#240 Fred McGriff
#3 Todd Burns
#577 David Palmer
#247 David Wells
#206 Doug Drabek
#112 Dan Gladden
#621 Doug Sisk

#5 of 12 Julio Franco - 1989 Fleer All-Star Team insert; miscut and the green ink splotched
#656 Checklist
#216 Vicente Palacios

#552 Edgar Martinez - the greatest designated hitter, ever?
#460 Tony Pena
#83 Ellis Burks

1989 Donruss cello

I found some 1989 Donruss cellos [$1.00 each x1] - I picked one up out of the scrap heap [pre-priced at $1.29] so I could see if I can pull and Ken Griffey Jr. rookie card. I already picked up a graded version of the card, but it is nice to see if you pull a similar card like the one you pulled out of a rack pack 20 years ago.

The back of the bottom card of the cello is visible and for full disclosure I could see Junior was right there before I bought the particular cello pack - the cello features six puzzle pieces and 39 cards.

#409 Bob Kipper

#BC-11 Dave Winfield - MVP insert or bonus card

#5 Robin Yount Diamond King subset
#158 Rich Gossage
#624 Ricky Jordan
#503 Shawn Hillegas
#379 Jim Presley

#649 Rod Nichols - I have to remind myself that no matter how many of these guys looked on their baseball cards, they appeared in at least one Major League game as players.
#251 Shane Rawley
#180 Alan Trammell
#58 Melido Perez
#526 Rick Aguilera
#16, #17, #18 Warren Spahn puzzle pieces
#7, #8, #9 Warren Spahn puzzle pieces

No. 12 Ellis Burks - Grand Slammers insert
#554 Steve Lombardozzi
#559 Dennis Rasmussen
#210 Storm Davis - a Tony LaRussa/Dave Duncan reclamation project in the late 1980s.
#161 Willie McGee

#636 Scott May - goes under my 'I would have never guessed this guy appeared in a Major League game' pile.
#BC-18 Kal Daniels - MVP insert
#351 Jeff Treadway
#591 Ernie Whitt
#242 Bo Diaz
#129 Lance McCullers
#551 Luis Aguayo
#438 Doug Jones
#560 Pat Borders
#565 Felix Fermin
#216 Bryn Smith
#100 Checklist
#46 Gregg Olson - relief star early in his career, became a journeyman for a while after injuries derailed him.
#470 Jeff Robinson
#357 Paul Assenmacher
#643 Jose Canseco - 40/40 card
#21 Harold Reynolds Diamond Kings subset - the star of the early MLB Network programming
#134 R.J. Reynolds
#557 Alejandro Pena
#444 Jerry Don Gleaton
#566 Darnell Coles
#571 Don Robinson
#33 Ken Griffey Jr. - there are fuzziness and imperfections along the top, where his name is.

So much for a nice pull -I think I got what I paid for.

The Triple Drunk Junkwax Break.

John of the excellent blog Old School Breaks sent me (unsolicited) three packs for me to video review on YouTube and APAD. (1989 Fleer, 1990 Donruss, and 1990 Score.)

I've decided to have a little fun with this one by consuming one pint-can of Guinness for each pack ripped.

Three junk packs, three pints of Guinness, one video pack break; what could possibly go wrong?

Video Pack Break: 1989 Action Packed Football

In 1989 the football card Hobby was beginning to change. For much of the 80s Topps was the only game in town. But in '89 the NFL granted licenses to three companies. Fresh off their success in baseball, the NFL gave Score a license. The other two went to two start up companies: Pro Set and Action Packed.

While Score and Pro Set produced traditional card card sets, Action Packed put out what could best be described as a test issue to demonstrate their bas relief printing process to The Hobby. It featured 30 cards from only three NFL teams: the Bears, Giants, and Redskins. (The first "Real" AP card set would not be released until 1990)

This was NOT Action Packed's first trading card set. A year earlier, they applied for an MLB/MLBPA license and created a six-card baseball test set. Ultimately, both MLB and MLBPA rejected Action Packed's effort and awarded the licenses to another start-up called "Upper Deck."

Each pack contained six cards (two from each team) and one of three stadium hologram stickers.

1989 Topps All-Stars Double Headers

I got a package in the mail today from fellow APAD contributor Shane Diaz. It was a nice surprise for a Friday, we had a trade brewing but I didn't expect a bunch of neat packs to be in there as well. Here's one of them, A DoubleHeader pack from 1989. This oddball set has a tiny reprint card encased in a plastic stand so you can display it proudly. This is the first pack of this I've opened, let's see who is in the set:

Fooey, no Braves. Not even Murphy. They sucked hard in 1988 though so not too surprising. From the checklist it looks like the best possible pull for me would be Pudge, the worst John Franco. Yeah, he was a great closer, but that doesn't mitigate the fact that he was an evil Met. Let's open!

Jose, can you see? Seriously, can you see that? These things don't scan for crap. I gotta get my camera fixed. The '88 MVP is on his classic '89 card on one side...


And his '86 Traded card on the back. Not a bad oddball pull although the plastic case was a little scuffed out of the pack. The stand kind of looks like a teeny little PSA case. I wonder if this is where they got the idea?

What? MORE 1989 Topps?

Seems to be a run on this stuff over the past week. That's probably because we've all been buying up those marvelous repack boxes. I've already completed this set, so I ripped and posted this pack for giggles. Heck, since dayf just posted a pack of 1989 Topps, why don't we make this an impromptu Pack War? Leave a comment on this post with your pick for the winner. Yoips, and away!

648 Sandy Alomar (Jr.) Future Star - Man, I thought this card was awesome when I was a kid. It was a rookie card of a player I'd heard of, how could it not be valuable? Ah, youth.

633 Daryl Boston - A guy named Boston, and he never played for the Red Sox. Fancy that.

195 Ozzie Guillen - Back-to-back White Sox! Maybe this pack was meant for Steve.

382 John Smoltz RC - Hot dog! Check out the glorious dirtstache on Smoltzie.

51 Angels Leaders - Pictured is Mark McLemore, who led the Angels in no offensive category. Okay then.

71 Mike Boddicker - To date, he is my first and only through-the-mail autograph. A decent pitcher who had a couple amazing years at the start of his career with the O's.

698 Keith Atherton - I always assumed he was signing a baseball in his photo. A closer look shows that he's just holding the ball and staring longingly at it, as if he dreams of some day being asked for an autograph. Keep reaching for that rainbow, Keith!

663 Hank Aaron Turn Back the Clock: 1974 - I've heard that this guy was pretty good. But Hank Aaron XXIV was a real loser.

Topps Company Store: High quality Puffy-lettered Sweatshirt! - I was a pretty lame kid, but even I never had one of these shirts.

595 Teddy Higuera - Wow, this is before his arm fell off. Through 1988, Teddy was 69-38 over four seasons with 31 or more starts each season. From 1989-1994, he topped out at 27 starts and went 25-26.

267 Jeff (M.) Robinson - Hey, it's that schlub the Orioles acquired for Mickey Tettleton. Grr.

42 Jim Eppard - According to the B-R Bullpen, he won four minor league batting titles between 1982 and 1990. That and four bucks will get you a Blizzard at Dairy Queen.

249 Tim Leary - This cheating sack of crap broke Chris Hoiles' wrist with a pitch in 1992. Johnny Oates suspected that he was doctoring the ball, but of course Leary got away with it. Stinkin' Yankees.

279 Scott Bradley - Hit only 18 home runs in his career, but 2 came off of Dave Stewart.

219 Jim Clancy - One of the original Blue Jays, he stuck with the team for a dozen years and trails only Dave Stieb on the franchise's career wins list.

597 Terry Taylor - The only Terry Taylor I know is this guy.

Wow, that pack really ran out of steam. But does it have just enough to edge out dayf's pack? Let your vote be counted!

1989 Topps

I've got a lot of newfangled packs to rip this week, so I'm taking a quick breather to open up something old. You gotta remember to go back to your roots occasionally in this business, or you'll go mad. I picked up this pack in the junk box that netted me the Erstad jersey. I also got a pretty good pack of Ultra in it too, but no one's voted for it on my Lucky 13 post, so I guess you guys don't want to see it. You can vote twice you know...

Topps Company Store - Deluxe Quality Binder
433 Albert Hall
156 Dave Gallagher
149 Doug Dascenzo
623 Fred Toliver
23 Mike Fitzgerald
171 Braves LEaders
76 Terry Blocker
631 Dave Bergman
354 Larry Parrish
37 Bob Stanley
696 Don August
245 Jim Rice
642 Argentis Salazar
238 Eric King
761 Dante Bichette

On my deathbed I may have many regrets, but the most bitterly painful one will be failing to pony up the $10.60 for the Deluxe Quality Topps Binder.

Gotta love three Braves in the pack even though they all suuuuuuck. If that was Mark Lemke on the Braves leaders card standing next to Andres Thomas it would be way cool, but alas, I think it's Tommy Gregg. The back of Albert Hall's card mentions the cycle he hit on 9-23-87, which is the only thing anyone ever remembers about his surprisingly long career with the Braves. This is how obscure he is: Albert's Baseball-Reference.com page doesn't come up until page twelve of a Google search for "Albert Hall". I'm just trying to restrain myself from finding a hole punch so I can see how many holes it takes to fill his card. Jim Rice is the undisputed king of the pack, this time next year he will probably be inducted into the Hall of Fame. His is a great looking card too. There's a lot of strange looking photos in this pack. Doug Dascenzo doesn't look all there. Fred Toliver is trying to block something chucked right at his face. Dave Bergman is chillin' in the batting cage. Argenis Salazar had no earthly idea someone was taking his photo. The pack finishes up with an awesome Dante Bichette rookie card. Check out those rookie eyebrows. This card has to be worth something. A buffalo nickel, a canceled three cent stamp, a gumball, something. I don't think I can live in a world where a Dante Bichette rookie card isn't worth at least a gumball.

1989 Topps - Like 1978 but not.

This offering from the 16-pack box comes from Topps. These are the 1989 regular issue that used a similar scripted font to the cards of 1978. The main differences are the thickness of the font (1989 are thicker) and the '89 font is almost something like a 'semi-script' that looks like the designer couldn't decide if he was writing or printing. Each pack has 15 "Bubble Gum Cards" and 1 stick of gum.

The cards feature a large player picture with a white border all the way around the image. The upper left and lower right corners are rounded off. The "Topps" logo appears in the upper left corner or most cards, though the color varies presumably based on the background color. In the lower right, we have the team name in the print-script which has a banner that resembles Coke's "dynamic ribbon device." In the banner is the player's name in all-caps.

The backs of the cards feature a black border that surrounds bio info and player stats in two pink areas. I don't know who decided pink was a good color for the back of baseball cards, but there it is... Some cards feature player tidbits at the bottom of the card back, while other cards feature monthly stats or other relatively useless information.

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First three players out of the pack are Larry Parrish (Red Sox), Bob Stanley (Red Sox), and Don August (Brewers). Evidently, Parrish thought he was so good that he only needed one hand to hold the bat. He was born in Clairton, Pa, near where my grandparents live and where my uncle and aunt live now. Stanley looks like he is posing and not actually in mid-throw at all. Meanwhile, August has the "Hey, this is my rookie card" look, which after a quick look at the back of the card, turns out to be his rookie card, of course.

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Up next, we have Jim Rice (Red Sox - I'm sensing a pattern here), Argenis Salazar (Cubs), and Eric King (Tigers). Pulling ANY Jim Rice card is awesome. When this card came out, he had been playing for 14 years already! Salazar's "other info" only says that his hero was Dave Concepcion. That's gotta hurt... King has the look of someone who was told to throw a ball and look at the camera just after you release. "Oh, and you can drop the ball at your feet for all we care..."

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Coming up, we have Dante Bichette (Angels), Topps Company Store card, and Jim Adduci (Brewers). I was always a Bichette fan as a kid, though today I do not have a clue as to what led me to feel that way. Later in life, he would admit to hitting his pregnant girlfriend. Shifting our attention to the Topps card - How About That Shirt!? Gotta love the "B-I-N-G-O" approach Topps made to the shirt. In fact, this is a "High quality PUFFY-lettered T-shirt as shown Style E." The shirt would set you back $9.95 plus $1.25 postage, PLUS any THREE special offer cards (ya gotta buy the packs to get the shirt!). My guess is that if you wrote to Topps and asked, they'd be happy to send you one of these form their warehouse of 'vintage' items...

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The next set of players yields Tom Glavine (Braves), Harold Baines (White Sox), and Tony Phillips (A's). Glavine's 2nd year card ain't a bad pull at all! I also like the Baines pull in there, too! As a kid, I was an A's fan, and can remember rooting on Phillips! The nostalgia factor in this group hits about a 8.5 out of 10 for me.

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Rich Yett (Indians), Jeff Kunkel (Rangers), and Lance Parrish (Phillies) are bringing in the end of the pack, leaving only one card to go. Were Lance and Larry related? They were not born in the same town. Man, how about those powder-blue uniforms... Ouch. Kunkel looks like he is about 20, but is actually about 30 in that picture. He also comes off as looking like a rookie even though he had already been in the majors for 5 years. I pulled a Triber! Excellent! Rich Yett will appear in the All-Time Tribe uniform countdown (at tribecards) when we get to Number 42...

Finally, we have the card that had to have the wax pack pried off it - Larry McWilliams (Cardinals). The pack glue had adhered itself to the last card in the pack. The wrapper was so attached to the McWilliams card that it left a little of itself behind...

1989 Donruss featuring Warren Spahn

In 1989, Donruss opted for a patriotic pack wrapper (Red, er uh Yellow, and Blue). The wax packs featured 15 cards and 3 puzzle pieces on a single card. This year's fragmented face was of Warren Spahn. There were 26 MVP 'insert' cards collectors could try to find as well.

The cards themselves sported nice, big player photos that were flanked on either side by a black border. The tops and bottoms of the fronts were done up in varying color gradients that really had nothing to do with the team's colors at all (purple to light purple for Yankees, green to blue for Boston - though I suppose a stretch argument could be made that it stood for the 'green monster,' orange to yellow for Brewers, and so on). The player's name is shown at the top in white with the position following the name. In one corner of the card (seems to be randomly selected) is the team logo and in another corner (again, seemingly randomly placed) is the Donruss-89 'logo'. The back of the cards featured a hunter-orange color with black text covering most of the back. The only white on the back was reserved for stats. The card numbers were placed in a baseball icon, and the backs showed the player's full, given names with 'nicknames' listed in parenthesis (such as Christopher (Chris) Louis Bosio). There is also bio info, contract status info (did anyone ever really care what the contract status of the players was??), and some career highlights (if any). Let's open the pack, shall we?

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Here, we see the wrapper and the first two cards: Richard (Rick) Alan Rhoden (Yankees) and Bruce Vee Hurst (Red Sox). I was a Rhoden fan as a kid while he played with the Pirates, though I will say that is quite the furry caterpillar he's got under his nose. Hurst opted to let his two fuzzies play above his eyes instead...

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Next, we have Patrick (Pat) Arthur Sheridan (Tigers), Michael (Mike) Lewis Grenwell (Red Sox), and Christopher (Chris) Louis Bosio (Brewers). Sheridan was just hoping that he could gain the same notoriety as Billy Ripken by taking this pose, but someone forgot the Sharpie that day... The Greenwell card is BC-13, an MVP insert. Not sure why any grown man would pose with his hands on top of each other in the "mama's Angel" pose, but there it is... Poor Bosio nearly lost his entire face to shadow in this photo!

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Richard (Rick) Spencer Schu (Orioles), Jeff Robinson (Tigers) Diamond Kings, and a checklist round out the next three cards. Evidently, Rick's mother was concerned about him losing his glove, so she wrote his name on it. It's a pretty sad day when your baseball card features a whopping seven people in the background stands... Perez-Steele is the "king" of the Diamond King prints, for sure. Though, in Jeff's case, I think Robinson sneezed or something, as his moustache and upper lip seem a bit out of whack here (not to mention his ear seems a bit on the dominant side of sizing)... And, there's nothing like a good old checklist to make your day, huh? When I was a kid, my friends and I would actually trade cards based on the names listed on a checklist - if you had Schmidt or Rose on your checklist, it was 'worth' more in a trade... Ah, to be young an naive again...

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The next guys out of the pack are Michael (Mike) Darren Young (Brewers), Billy Mike Smithson (Red Sox), and Miguel Angel Garcia (Pirates). Young, who was 29 in this photo, appears much older than his age. At least he is smiling though, and would make excellent fodder for the girls at Dinged Corners! Smithson is about to fire in a shot, making for a decent picture, though how many Red Sox players can Donruss put in one pack!? Garcia had his picture taken out behind Three Rivers, where no one could see him...

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Francis (Andy) Andrew Nezelek (Braves), Jay Canfield Howell (Dodgers), and Alexander (Alex) Madrid, Jr (Phillies) make up the next trio to see daylight. This card represents Nezelek's rookie card (as far as Donruss goes), and it sure has the look of a young kid just happy to have his face on a card at all! Howell is caught hurling (or about to anyway). Notice how your eye is drawn from the logo, down to his shoulder, out to the glove and back to the lowered hand with the ball? Nice piece of photography. Madrid should have taken up acting in an 80's cop show or sitcom where he has to take care of a daughter while living in the same house as her single mother... Oh wait... Nevermind...

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And, rounding out the pack, we have Jerald Dwayne Clark (Padres) and the eyes of Warren Spahn. To me, Clark's pose is reminiscent of the old-school (50's-60's) poses. I mean, if this card were ratty and had a different border on it, he could be playing with Mays, Robinson, et al. In fact, the picture almost has a Goudey "Big League" card look to it...Spahn's puzzle includes pieces 22, 23, and 24, which feature menacing eyes looking straight at you. Oh yes, there will be a strike out....

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Topps Big Series 2

This post was supposed to be entitled "2008 Topps Co-Signers" but I got to the store and saw a price tag of $9.50 for a pack of six cards that looked like this. As much as I get off on being the first slave to marketing one to rip a pack of the latest product on this blog, there was no way I was dropping a Hamilton for a one in four chance of pulling an autograph of a boxer or fringe prospect. I spent 50 cents more and burned my Father of Federalism on this instead:


This is my favorite design of the 'Big' sets but I don't have a whole lot of cards from the set. I saw Dale smiling up at me from the box and figured this was the best way to boost my card count. I've had my eye on this box for a while but never actually got it because they had two of them. I didn't think there would be a run on late 80's oddball junk anytime soon. I'm going to bust the whole box on my own blog one of these days but considering the complete lack of free time, the number of backlogged posts I need to catch up on and the fact I just discovered Alpha Attack I figure I'll get to it say, around June or so. June, 2013. Here's the first pack from the box to get you properly prepared for the upcoming event.

123 Alan Trammell
144 Dave Parker
118 Billy Hatcher
177 Tommy Barrett
182 Doyle Alexander
119 Rick Cerone
152 Roberto Kelly

Trammell and Cobra make a damn good start to this box. Billy Hatcher? Well, the cartoon on the back of his card is all about his wife who was the director of special events for the Astros so that pretty much sums it up. Speaking of the back of these cards, any card with fielding stats on the back is a damn good card. Rick Cerone had 471 put outs, 28 assists and a fielding average of 1.000! That's right, not one error for Rick in '88. That's a backup catcher to be proud of. Another thing about the back of these cards is on some players' names it has another name in parenthesis. Roberto Kelly has (Gray) next to his name. I've seen this before on cards from the 60's and 70's but I never figure out what it meant. It seems to be mostly on Latino players' cards too. Anyone know what's up with this? I've heard it's the mother's maiden name before but I never found out definitively what it is or why Topps put it on there. Somebody out there can drop the knowledge on me I'm sure. The Tommy Barrett card disturbs me. Any time I see a card from the 80's and I can honestly say I have never heard of this guy in my life I think I'm starting to crack up. The brain cell that held Tommy's info must have been killed off in one of my all night web surfing or gaming binges. I'll finish off this post with one of my favorite players, Doyle Alexander. Good ol' Doyle was not only one of the Braves' few decent pitchers in the mid 80's, but he also brought us Smoltzie in a trade with the Tigers. Thanks Doyle!